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		<title>By: Jeff C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cleared somewhat better after I realised  what &quot;MD capable&quot; is . I should  have  read over your reply more before I responded. still have some confusion  about some portions of your response.is it possible for some short comunications between us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cleared somewhat better after I realised  what &#8220;MD capable&#8221; is . I should  have  read over your reply more before I responded. still have some confusion  about some portions of your response.is it possible for some short comunications between us?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clive, thanks for your reply. I&#039;ll have to get back to you on this tho. (Hint) Generally speaking, I personally, more often than not have a great deal of difficulty with different types of peoples languageings. I feel it has to do with archetypes  and my being unplugged from various ones myself. Thanks  Jeff    P.S.   Feel free to e-mail me if you have the time and inclination</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clive, thanks for your reply. I&#8217;ll have to get back to you on this tho. (Hint) Generally speaking, I personally, more often than not have a great deal of difficulty with different types of peoples languageings. I feel it has to do with archetypes  and my being unplugged from various ones myself. Thanks  Jeff    P.S.   Feel free to e-mail me if you have the time and inclination</p>
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		<title>By: Clive</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 10:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff, how can I put it . . . there is a lot of &#039;channelled&#039; material out there . . . we are told we have guides &#039;guiding&#039; us . . . we are also told to &#039;trust&#039; our guidance and so called &#039;divine&#039; beings . . . so the movement of information is very much orientated from the beyond to here. You&#039;ve read some different things so you might have picked up some &#039;contradictions&#039; within or between different presentations. The &#039;bias&#039; is to ignore contradictions or &#039;rationalise&#039; them away in &#039;spiritual&#039; terms (I&#039;m not aware enough (or whatever)). So, if you want to &#039;accept&#039; what is presented at face value then fine . . . on the other hand as someone AWARE of gross and dire contradictions in just about everything presented then I&#039;m using my abilities to CHECK out what is presented DIRECTLY hence you have some rather different presentations offered here that do NOT fit in with anything presented elsewhere. So, you DON&#039;T need to be &#039;aware&#039; or MD capable or &#039;whatever&#039; unless you want to research beyond what is already presented or are happy to be slotted in with &#039;whatever&#039; modality fit&#039;s your ideas / beliefs / experiences. Bottom line; different &#039;awareness&#039; abilities are simply tools they are not an end state . . . . Does that clear these areas up for you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff, how can I put it . . . there is a lot of &#8216;channelled&#8217; material out there . . . we are told we have guides &#8216;guiding&#8217; us . . . we are also told to &#8216;trust&#8217; our guidance and so called &#8216;divine&#8217; beings . . . so the movement of information is very much orientated from the beyond to here. You&#8217;ve read some different things so you might have picked up some &#8216;contradictions&#8217; within or between different presentations. The &#8216;bias&#8217; is to ignore contradictions or &#8216;rationalise&#8217; them away in &#8217;spiritual&#8217; terms (I&#8217;m not aware enough (or whatever)). So, if you want to &#8216;accept&#8217; what is presented at face value then fine . . . on the other hand as someone AWARE of gross and dire contradictions in just about everything presented then I&#8217;m using my abilities to CHECK out what is presented DIRECTLY hence you have some rather different presentations offered here that do NOT fit in with anything presented elsewhere. So, you DON&#8217;T need to be &#8216;aware&#8217; or MD capable or &#8216;whatever&#8217; unless you want to research beyond what is already presented or are happy to be slotted in with &#8216;whatever&#8217; modality fit&#8217;s your ideas / beliefs / experiences. Bottom line; different &#8216;awareness&#8217; abilities are simply tools they are not an end state . . . . Does that clear these areas up for you?</p>
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		<title>By: jeff c.</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found Clives&#039; website and your article just today and read thru the site and also this one article of your&#039;s, Maya, (Spiritual Bliss States and Natural  Happiness). I can relate to many of the things you both have been thru and experienced; I still however am confused about a seeming belief in the necessity to live in or be able to access dimensionality or many dimensions or perhaps (BE) them at one time. Is it a given in higher awareness&#039;s than mine that to do so is the desired object or goal. I listen to a lot of  Caroline Myss and I really love the way her talks on archetypes explain so much for me about our patterns of behaviors and why and how they manifest within us. Ionly mention this because as I was reading yall&#039;s stuff I saw some parallels etc. I&#039;ve read Power vs. Force and I don&#039;t know if his own personal experience of &quot;enlightenment&quot; and others&#039; that we know of -- Paramahansa Yogananda, Ramana Maharshi, Buddha, Jesus Christ; were these masters ,teachers, enlightened ones some of whom I think we know had  become&quot;one with the all&quot; or returned to God or had achieved what Hawkins described as his experience (yet is still here);So the reason I bring this up is I&#039;m  trying to come up with a general working for myself of the Cosmos Etc. and am to trying understand  the general basic heirarchy  of that and where dimensionality fits in. In the Law of One RA States that collective consciousnesses take  (I hope I have this right , I don&#039;t have it at my fingertips) millions of years to evolve and return to God.Then we have relatively (for me )recent material about time, time portals and other related stuff and so ifn anyone could shed any light on these things for me I&#039;d really appreciate it . thanks   Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found Clives&#8217; website and your article just today and read thru the site and also this one article of your&#8217;s, Maya, (Spiritual Bliss States and Natural  Happiness). I can relate to many of the things you both have been thru and experienced; I still however am confused about a seeming belief in the necessity to live in or be able to access dimensionality or many dimensions or perhaps (BE) them at one time. Is it a given in higher awareness&#8217;s than mine that to do so is the desired object or goal. I listen to a lot of  Caroline Myss and I really love the way her talks on archetypes explain so much for me about our patterns of behaviors and why and how they manifest within us. Ionly mention this because as I was reading yall&#8217;s stuff I saw some parallels etc. I&#8217;ve read Power vs. Force and I don&#8217;t know if his own personal experience of &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; and others&#8217; that we know of &#8212; Paramahansa Yogananda, Ramana Maharshi, Buddha, Jesus Christ; were these masters ,teachers, enlightened ones some of whom I think we know had  become&#8221;one with the all&#8221; or returned to God or had achieved what Hawkins described as his experience (yet is still here);So the reason I bring this up is I&#8217;m  trying to come up with a general working for myself of the Cosmos Etc. and am to trying understand  the general basic heirarchy  of that and where dimensionality fits in. In the Law of One RA States that collective consciousnesses take  (I hope I have this right , I don&#8217;t have it at my fingertips) millions of years to evolve and return to God.Then we have relatively (for me )recent material about time, time portals and other related stuff and so ifn anyone could shed any light on these things for me I&#8217;d really appreciate it . thanks   Jeff</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://www.healingexamples.com/locked-beliefs-ideas-models/artificial-bliss-versus-natura-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-2188</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who AM I without this ‘Soul Support System’? = This is a question I am grappling with now. 

As you say, being unencumbered by ANY belief is something one needs to experience. I&#039;ll never know until I&#039;m there myself. 

All I know is that I still have heavy loads of them in my system. (I suppose this is one instance where those lightwork sites benefit me. The ones I&#039;ve read speak of exploring one&#039;s limiting beliefs. Although the means of getting rid of these beliefs to manifest what you want may fall into the &quot;artificial bliss&quot; category.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who AM I without this ‘Soul Support System’? = This is a question I am grappling with now. </p>
<p>As you say, being unencumbered by ANY belief is something one needs to experience. I&#8217;ll never know until I&#8217;m there myself. </p>
<p>All I know is that I still have heavy loads of them in my system. (I suppose this is one instance where those lightwork sites benefit me. The ones I&#8217;ve read speak of exploring one&#8217;s limiting beliefs. Although the means of getting rid of these beliefs to manifest what you want may fall into the &#8220;artificial bliss&#8221; category.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 01:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The freedom to choose , unencumbered by ANY type of beliefs, spiritual, religious or even scientific...&quot;

Is there such thing as being belief-free? Right now this is beyond my comprehension. For me, &quot;belief&quot; means any concept that one believes in.  

For all I know, I could be using an entirely inaccurate framework of reality. Does freedom to choose means being free to choose what you want to believe in, without being easily swayed by anyone or anything? Can that include being free to choose NOT to believe in anything at all? 

The way I see things right how, I feel compelled to believe in something to give meaning to my life. Without it, I feel damn lost.  

Out of whim, I tried an experiment of &quot;not believing in God.&quot; But all I came up with was some kind of defensive angry wall blocking out &quot;source.&quot; The annoying part is that part of me still asks for help repeatedly in my mind. Just attempting this experiment already feels so UNNATURAL to me.  Sucky way of trying to be independent, if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The freedom to choose , unencumbered by ANY type of beliefs, spiritual, religious or even scientific&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there such thing as being belief-free? Right now this is beyond my comprehension. For me, &#8220;belief&#8221; means any concept that one believes in.  </p>
<p>For all I know, I could be using an entirely inaccurate framework of reality. Does freedom to choose means being free to choose what you want to believe in, without being easily swayed by anyone or anything? Can that include being free to choose NOT to believe in anything at all? </p>
<p>The way I see things right how, I feel compelled to believe in something to give meaning to my life. Without it, I feel damn lost.  </p>
<p>Out of whim, I tried an experiment of &#8220;not believing in God.&#8221; But all I came up with was some kind of defensive angry wall blocking out &#8220;source.&#8221; The annoying part is that part of me still asks for help repeatedly in my mind. Just attempting this experiment already feels so UNNATURAL to me.  Sucky way of trying to be independent, if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your last sentence says it all, Nina...It took me a while to realise the same...and a year after writing this article, I can say I am even more ceratin of this than then...I keep on resolving issues within myself that I didn&#039;t even know I had...and doing this gives me more and more choice in every single aspect of life...the freedom to choose , unencumbered by ANY type of beliefs, spiritual, religious or even scientific, is something you just have to experience in order to know what it&#039;s like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your last sentence says it all, Nina&#8230;It took me a while to realise the same&#8230;and a year after writing this article, I can say I am even more ceratin of this than then&#8230;I keep on resolving issues within myself that I didn&#8217;t even know I had&#8230;and doing this gives me more and more choice in every single aspect of life&#8230;the freedom to choose , unencumbered by ANY type of beliefs, spiritual, religious or even scientific, is something you just have to experience in order to know what it&#8217;s like.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://www.healingexamples.com/locked-beliefs-ideas-models/artificial-bliss-versus-natura-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, Maya! I never thought being in bliss can be that SCARY. I was actually attempting to be in that kind of &quot;artificial bliss&quot; by learning more about the Law of Attraction and manifesting.

Damn, looks like there&#039;s no easy way to being genuinely happy. Dealing with buried &quot;negative&quot; emotions, shadow selves, dual sides (masculine-feminine, victim-perpetrator, etc), and expressing one&#039;s authentic self is admittedly a hard path to real healing.  

I guess the only way to real freedom is to confront my own personal hell for good. Thanks for posting these articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, Maya! I never thought being in bliss can be that SCARY. I was actually attempting to be in that kind of &#8220;artificial bliss&#8221; by learning more about the Law of Attraction and manifesting.</p>
<p>Damn, looks like there&#8217;s no easy way to being genuinely happy. Dealing with buried &#8220;negative&#8221; emotions, shadow selves, dual sides (masculine-feminine, victim-perpetrator, etc), and expressing one&#8217;s authentic self is admittedly a hard path to real healing.  </p>
<p>I guess the only way to real freedom is to confront my own personal hell for good. Thanks for posting these articles.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.healingexamples.com/locked-beliefs-ideas-models/artificial-bliss-versus-natura-happiness/comment-page-1/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Maya, when I first read this post, I was not really able to relate either to the before &#039;spiritual&#039; stage OR the results in any way shape, or form. But lately, I have been able to see that when you really put yourself against what limited you and get rid of it you DO become more free.

When you REALLY resolve issues you are always feeling like the next thing that comes is the worst thing you&#039;ve ever faced, because in some sense you are running back into the hell you ran away from. As much hell as you have gone through, you have a lot of yourself back and you&#039;ve earned it. And you have natural strength that resides in a person that is free from huge amounts of trauma and debilitation.

I guess I&#039;m beginning to see that, like the WSW comment states above, a lot of the seemingly &#039;natural&#039; stuff going on isn&#039;t natural at all. Is life really just &#039;that way&#039;? Do we have to stand and take it, or lose more of ourselves forgetting it away? It seems you are one of the first to show that this answer is NO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Maya, when I first read this post, I was not really able to relate either to the before &#8217;spiritual&#8217; stage OR the results in any way shape, or form. But lately, I have been able to see that when you really put yourself against what limited you and get rid of it you DO become more free.</p>
<p>When you REALLY resolve issues you are always feeling like the next thing that comes is the worst thing you&#8217;ve ever faced, because in some sense you are running back into the hell you ran away from. As much hell as you have gone through, you have a lot of yourself back and you&#8217;ve earned it. And you have natural strength that resides in a person that is free from huge amounts of trauma and debilitation.</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m beginning to see that, like the WSW comment states above, a lot of the seemingly &#8216;natural&#8217; stuff going on isn&#8217;t natural at all. Is life really just &#8216;that way&#8217;? Do we have to stand and take it, or lose more of ourselves forgetting it away? It seems you are one of the first to show that this answer is NO.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much Maya, for sharing this with us, Your &quot;OLD&quot; way of life has many of the SAME experiences in it, that i have, when i&#039;m in my manic phases (I&#039;ve been diagnosed for a year now with bi - polar disorder by doctors / spiritual awakening by self) I have realised for a long time now i have been following your foot steps! Thank you for going before me in this journey Maya, i&#039;ve  found  some of your experiences soul destroying, to listen too, yet you keep trucking along &amp; your strength helps to give me hope, that i can get there too. You go girl ! x</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much Maya, for sharing this with us, Your &#8220;OLD&#8221; way of life has many of the SAME experiences in it, that i have, when i&#8217;m in my manic phases (I&#8217;ve been diagnosed for a year now with bi &#8211; polar disorder by doctors / spiritual awakening by self) I have realised for a long time now i have been following your foot steps! Thank you for going before me in this journey Maya, i&#8217;ve  found  some of your experiences soul destroying, to listen too, yet you keep trucking along &amp; your strength helps to give me hope, that i can get there too. You go girl ! x</p>
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